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The purpose of this device will be to change to a different curve automatically based on a set amount of vacuum above the throttle plate (Ported vacuum). This can be done with a simple rotary switch now but this Vacuum Operated Electric Switch will make the operation automatic.

I will be field testing with a vacuum gauge to find the vacuum at which the engine starts to lug.
At this point in vacuum, I'll set the VOES to switch to another curve.

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This switch has a removable cap under which is an adjustment screw to 'open' a set of contacts at varying vacuum settings.
I'll be wiring in a light to come on confirming my adjustment is in fact opening the contact.
A light is not necessary for the operation, it only provides visual confirmation.
I'll need to wire in a diode to prevent any backflow of power into the grounding switch circuit.

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Once the switch is set to switch unnoticed you can use the vac pump to see exactly what you have it set at and probably find a vac switch for that vacuum setting.

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Once the switch is set to switch unnoticed you can use the vac pump to see exactly what you have it set at and probably find a vac switch for that vacuum setting.

Great idea using a vac pump, I have one.

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Once the switch is set to switch unnoticed you can use the vac pump to see exactly what you have it set at and probably find a vac switch for that vacuum setting.

Great idea using a vac pump, I have one.


http://www.wildwestcycle.com/f_voes.html

This is the article I referenced Dan. I emailed you the link as well.

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Good article. It also made a point I hadn't considered. And that was the possibility that vacuum could be pulled past the adjuster screw. All the more reason for finding the right setting and using a non adjustable vacuum switch.

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Once we get some real world testing, it will be easy to share with people a recommendation.
These switches are readily available from 3-7 lbs, so once Dan tests for the best one, anyone can purchase for about $45-50.

There is a modification that we will probably end up doing. If you ride the bike hard (heavy throttle) the VOES will retard timing.
That's ok for touring or climbing a hill loaded with gear, but what if you are riding solo, on flat ground, trying to keep up with your friend?
You might not want to retard timing, because the bike would run like its chained to a tree.
We could easily install a bypass grounding switch, so during certain situations the bike would continue using the more aggressive curve.

That would allow retarded timing while climbing a long hill (coming out of a river valley) or towing a trailer, but on a short drag race from stop light to stop light you could keep using the more aggressive curve.

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Riding hard like you describe I'd be dropping a gear so I doubt the switch would come into play.

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Riding hard like you describe I'd be dropping a gear so I doubt the switch would come into play.


But in a drag race you'd be upshifting, and the VOES would retard the timing automatically.
Not a big deal on a C series where the next drop is just a few degrees. However, on the M series with two curves available, we normally have a larger timing drop. That's not what you want during a short burst/hard acceleration situation.

I am generalizing, but a stripped down performance bike (cafe style) would probably be a good candidate for a bypass switch.
My CB750 does not have a switch. I have it wired to run the aggressive curve all the time.

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Good point. Could put in a bypass switch. I ride aggressive but never really drag raced.

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Good point. Could put in a bypass switch. I ride aggressive but never really drag raced.


All you would do is install an "ON-OFF" switch just before the VOES.
Someone who rides conservatively or just for touring would not need it.

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